KERSTIN VOM HAGEN - Key Persons
With a hybrid background between design and technology, Alessio Grancini is a prototype engineer at Magic Leap. He is interested in AR and VR meeting human interaction. He taught Unity workshops internationally, exhibited work in art galleries, and published multiple articles about AR/VR.
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- Designer
- Editor
- Editorial & Production Manager
Alexander Walter grew up in East Germany with plenty of Bratwurst. He studied Architecture and Media Design at Bauhaus-Universität Weimar, Germany, and participated in foreign exchange programs with Washington-Alexandria Architecture Consortium in Alexandria, Virginia and Waseda University in continue...
Amanda Wasielewski is Associate Senior Lecturer of Digital Humanities and Associate Professor (Docent) of Art History at Uppsala University. Her writing and research investigate the use of digital technology in relation to art/visual culture and spatial practice. Her recent focus has been on the continue...
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- Designer & Writer Based in Los Angeles Anastasiatokmakova.Comyouthartsclub.Com
A designer & writer based in Los Angeles anastasiatokmakova.comyouthartsclub.com
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- First President of Cornell University
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- Head of the Cass School of Art
Anthony Morey is a Los Angeles based designer, curator, educator, and lecturer of experimental methods of art, design and architectural biases. Morey concentrates in the formulation and fostering of new modes of disciplinary engagement, public dissemination, and cultural cultivation. Morey is the continue...
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- Archinect As Managing Editor / News
- Editorial Manager
Antonio is a Los Angeles-based writer, designer, and preservationist. He completed the M.Arch I and Master of Preservation Studies programs at Tulane University in 2014, and earned a Bachelor of Arts in Architecture from Washington University in St. Louis in 2010. Antonio has written extensively continue...
Aric Gitomer Architect, LLC is a small, boutique residential architectural practice giving one on one attention to each homeowner. Aric Gitomer, AIA principal architect has been creating residential architectural solutions for over 30 years. He specializes in home renovation, residential design continue...
Arnaud Marthouret is the founder of rvltr and leads their strategy, visual communications and media efforts. He has helped numerous architects and interior designers promote themselves in their best light - pun intended - in order to help them run more effective practices and grow in a meaningful continue...
Architect Ben Channon was finishing up his architectural qualifications when he began to realize the toll it was taking on his mental health. Overcome by anxiety, and living in a small shared flat, he was gripped by questions of why some buildings make us happy, while others do not. "At the end of ...
Ben Gibson and Matt Thornley met at AHMM over ten years ago. Collectively, during their time there they worked on a multitude of award winning buildings, including the Stirling Prize winning Burntwood School. In 2013 they joined forces and established Gibson Thornley. Now hitting their stride, the ...
Today, we are getting up close and personal with Benedetta Tagliabue, the director of Barcelona-based practice Miralles Tagliabue EMBT. The Italian architect, known for her attention to context and the poeticism in her work, also happens to be a member of the Pritzker jury, a RIBA Stirling ...
Brendan Shea makes architecture, archives, spaces, and classes. Currently at: Reimaging, a practice Roundhouse, a platform 2426, a space USC, a school Currently doing: Public Programming, a film series
Originally part of an electric-rock band, Chinese architect Cao Pu began his architectural career doing stage design for his musical group. Today, his studio remains small with a focus on conversion and community revival projects and his designs demonstrate a talent for working within ...
Casey Hughes has made a name for himself by building into the famous hills of Los Angeles. His eponymous firm-started by his desire to push against both the academic world of architecture as well as the development-oriented one-specializes in intellectually ambitious residential ...
Clemens Finkelstein is a historian and theorist of art and architecture. He is a doctoral student in the History and Theory of Architecture at Princeton University, a graduate of the History and Philosophy of Design program at Harvard University, and has worked extensively as a writer continue...
Based in Seoul, Colin Marshall writes and broadcasts on cities, language, and culture. He created the video series The City in Cinema and is now at work on a book, The Stateless City: a Walk through 21st-Century Los Angeles.
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- Associate Professor of Architecture at the University of Pennsylvania. Author of a House in the Sun: Modern Architecture and Solar Energy in the Cold War. More Details at My Penn Web Page
Associate Professor of Architecture at the University of Pennsylvania. Author of A House in the Sun: Modern Architecture and Solar Energy in the Cold War. More details at my Penn web page.
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- Designer With Experience across Europe
Daniel Vella is an established architectural designer with experience across Europe and the US. His project experience is both broad and deep, having worked on award-winning residential towers in Manchester, hotels in London, and hospitality and workplace designs across the US. On both continue...
Dante is a PhD student studying the History and Theory of Architecture at Princeton University. He is a licensed architect in New York State.
Darin Johnstone is a Los Angeles based architect and teacher. He is the founder of his eponymous practice, Darin Johnstone Architects, and a faculty member at SCI-Arc. For this week's Small Studio Snapshots, we talk with Johnstone about moving to LA on a whim to start his studio, his ...
With "architecture in his DNA," David West is a veteran with over 30 years of experience. From the time he built model airplanes as a young boy, West has always been fascinated by the art, science, history, math, and "respecting the past" of architecture which has continued continue...
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- Founder and Principal of OffTop Design
Demar Matthew is a Los Angeles based architectural designer,theorist, and creative. Demar is the founder and Principal of OffTop Design. He also works with A+D Architecture + Design Museum in Los Angeles as curator/exhibitions associate.Born in Moreno Valley, CA Demar received his Bachelor's continue...
Diana Agrest is a practicing architect, urban designer, and theorist known for her unique and pioneering approach. She has been teaching since 1972-at Cooper Union, where she currently is, since 1977-and has been profiled as one of 50 Great Teachers by NPR. Read her answers ...
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- Architect Entrepreneur LANG Hudson Woods Brick & Wonder
Duane McLemore is a founder of X Over Zero, a design firm specializing in architecture and 3d printed jewelry. Duane's current design work and research engage with computational design, architectural geometry, and mathematical symmetries. Duane has has taught at Woodbury University continue...
Duo Dickinson has been an architect for more than 30 years. The author of eight books, he is the architecture critic for the New Haven Register, writes on design and culture for the Hartford Courant, and is on the faculty at the Building Beauty Program at Sant'Anna Institute in Sorrento, Italy.
Ebrahim Poustinchi, architect, artist, and inventor, is an Associate Professor of Digital Design at Kent State University. He has previously taught at the University of Kentucky, Washington State University, and UCLA. Poustinchi's research is focused on the intersection of media and continue...
Eleanor Marshall is a writer and designer based in London and Scotland. She has worked in public realm and industrial design offices in the US and the UK, and with city transport authorities in Moscow, London and NYC. Her areas of practice are transport, health and urban design.
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- Operations Manager
- Head of UK
Ellen Hancock studied Fine Art and History of Art at The University of Leeds and Sculpture at Mimar Sinan Fine Arts University in Istanbul.
Now based in London she has a keen interest in travel, literature, interactive art and social architecture.
Erin Besler is a trained architect with an undergraduate degree from Yale and an M.Arch I from SCI-Arc. Ian Besler is a graphic designer and arts writer with a B.S in journalism from the University of Illinois and an MFA from ArtCenter College of Design. Together, the two form the LA-based ...
Erin Cuevas is an architect committed to addressing the increasingly media-centric world by challenging the intersection of culture, digital behavior and architecture. Together with Jana Masset she co-founded Curious Minds Los Angeles, an architecture office focusing on sensory and immersive environments. Erin also directs Project XYZ, a production company composed of dancers, designers, and film-makers, to explore her interest in the relationship between human movement and interactive space.
Erin received a graduate degree with distinction from the Harvard Graduate School of Design, and a bachelor's degree from the University of Southern California, where she currently holds a position as a design instructor.
Erin Cuevas is an architect committed to addressing the increasingly media-centric world by challenging the intersection of culture, digital behavior and architecture. Together with Jana Masset she co-founded Curious Minds Los Angeles, an architecture office focusing on sensory and continue...
Esther Sperber founded Studio ST Architects in 2003 after working at Pei Partnership Architects for more than five years during which she had the privilege of working closely with Mr. I. M. Pei. She was born and raised in Jerusalem, Israel. She graduated with a degree from the Technion and came to New York in 1997 to complete a master's degree in architecture at Columbia University.
Esther has been writing and lecturing on architecture and psychoanalysis, two fields of praxis that strive to reduce human distress and widen the range of human experiences.
Frank Lloyd Wright is one of the few architects who needs little introduction regardless of to whom you are talking. With a career lasting over 60 years, and with over 400 homes scattered across the US, his enduring legacy and contribution to the field of architecture is unparalleled. The famed ...
Gabriel Nolle is an architect, educator, and writer that believes architecture begins with the land. Based in Pittsburgh, PA, Gabriel's work focuses on place-specific design and how architecture interfaces with the natural world.
Galo Canizares is a designer, writer, and educator. He holds an M.Arch from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and teaches at The Ohio State University's Knowlton School of Architecture. His ongoing work concerns the production of architectural media after the rise of digital culture.
Grant Straghan founded deDraft in 2010 after studying at Hull School of Architecture and working for practices across the UK including MAP Architects in Belfast, GHM Group in Leeds and DMFK Architects in London. Now a solid team of three, and seven years in, they work closely together ...
Gunnar Hubbard is a recognized leader in green building across the United States and in Asia, Europe and the Middle East with 25 years of experience as a licensed architect, consultant, educator and advocate. As a principal and Thornton Tomasetti's Sustainability practice leader, he continue...
Guy Pearson is a qualified architect and urban designer. His interest and skills lie in the links between the two disciplines, including master planning and designing mixed use, high density urban neighbourhoods. Guy is an advocate of sustainable design to create liveable, healthy communities.
Hannah is an architect and writer based in Tanzania, East Africa. Her monthly feature column for Archinect, 'Architecture Futures', explores the technological developments currently shaping the architecture profession within wider cultural and political discussions by bringing together critical continue...
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- Editorial Assistant
- Advertising Sales Coordinator
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- Architect and Urban Design Associate Climate Research and Resilience Strategist
Jason has been an instrumental leader in FSB's strong Native American market for over a decade. A Native American himself, Jason is passionate about working together with tribes to support the development of their communities. He brings well-respected problem solving skills, leadership, and continue...
Joe Kennedy is a designer working in the San Francisco office of Snohetta. Previously, he spent a year in Norway on a Fulbright research fellowship while helping teach a design build studio at the Oslo School of Architecture and Design. He has worked for firms from New York to Taipei and completed projects in Europe, South America and Africa while receiving awards and grants to travel and exhibit internationally.
Urban Operations is a Los Angeles-based architecture and research firm founded by architect John Southern in 2005.The studio specializes in design/build work and research projects that seek to expand critical discourse within the design profession. Through its research division, Urbanops.org, the continue...
Jose Sanchez launched The Blindspot Initiative to a full house at Archinect Outpost
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- Features Writer & News Reporter
Josh Niland is a Connecticut-based writer and editor. He studied philosophy at Boston University and worked briefly at fine arts museums and as a teacher before joining Archinect. He has experience in the newsrooms of various cultural outlets and has submitted writing to Artforum continue...
I am an architectural designer originally from Mexico, with studies in the Illinois Institute of Technology, the Texas Southmost College and the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology.Throughout my education I developed an interest in the intersection between history and technology in architecture continue...
Editor/Writer for Archinect + sister site Bustler. Leans toward: public interest design, illustration, graphic design, history, and general pop-culture geekiness, among other things. Enjoys a good bowl of noodles.
An aspiring designer interested in understanding our built environments through practice, documentation and archiving architectural heritage. I design interiors and objects and occasionally write about things with the intention of furthering the discourse surrounding political, sociocultural and continue...
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- Advertising and Media Manager / Editorial Writer
- Editorial and Advertising Manager
Katherine is an LA-based writer and editor. She was Archinect's former Editorial Manager and Advertising Manager from 2018 - January 2024. During her time at Archinect, she's conducted and written 100+ interviews and specialty features with architects, designers, academics, and industry continue...
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- Advertising Sales Account Executive
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- Designer at Lateral Office
Kearon Roy Taylor is a designer at Lateral Office and lecturer at the John H. Daniels School of Architecture, Landscape, and Design in Toronto, Ontario.
Kendall A. Nicholson is a licensed educator, trained architectural designer, and an avid researcher. He works as the Director of Research and Information at the Association of Collegiate Schools of Architecture (ACSA) and is currently furthering his research at Harvard's Graduate continue...
Kengo Kuma, the prominent architect and writer known for blending modernist approaches with traditional Japanese values, reveals his love for the color white, his desire to learn the piano, and his fondness for designing sacred spaces in this iteration of Archinect's recurring series The ...
Konstantinos Chatzaras is a New York based architect and writer, focused on the contemporary multiplicity of the architectural and urban form seen as a plural whole. Konstantinos holds his Master of Architecture degree with commendation from Harvard University's Graduate School of Design continue...
Lada Kocherovsky, AIA is a Principal with Page & Turnbull, an architecture, design, planning and preservation firm in California with offices in San Francisco, Los Angeles and Sacramento. Noted for her ability to lead innovative integration of new architecture into existing structures and continue...
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- Director at Partner Energy
Architect turned social impact consultant. Fascinated by untapped innovation and chaotic cities. Interested in the role of design as a catalyst for development. Loves discovering unexpected interactions between people and place. Originally from Bogotá, Colombia; has lived in the US, Italy continue...
Lluís Alexandre Casanovas Blanco is a New York and Barcelona based architect, curator and scholar. He was the chief curator of the Oslo Architecture Triennale 2016 together with the After Belonging Agency, and he is currently a PhD Candidate at Princeton University, and a Critical continue...
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- Founder and Managing Principal of API Partners
Lonny Rossman, AIA, NCARB, is the Founder and Managing Principal of API Partners, an Executive Search + Strategic Consulting Firm focused on the Built Environment professions. He is an active member of AIA Philadelphia and was Chair of the Design Committee 2001-2020. In addition, Lonny was a continue...
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- Founding Partner
- President
Luis Vidal is the president and founding partner of luis vidal + architects, a Madrid-based architecture practice with offices in Spain, the U.K., Chile, the Dominican Republic and the U.S. Vidal offers responsible and quality designs in response to the urban and social challenges of the day continue...
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- Project Manager
- Project Manager at Archinect since 2017.
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- Principal at Ike Kligerman Barkley
Margie Lavender is a Principal at Ike Kligerman Barkley, a firm known for distinctive design rooted in tradition, yet modern in its sculptural forms, taught detailing, and often a touch of whimsy. Outside of architecture, she is passionate about gardening and is a patron member of the New continue...
Based in New York City, Maria is a Master of Architecture student at Columbia University. An Avid reader, Maria's favorite genres are Philosophical Fiction/Non-Fiction, Sci-Fi, Psychological Non-Fiction, and she always enjoys a good Classic. Her favorite writer is Fyodor Dostoevsky. Maria continue...
Chilean born and Austrian native, Matias del Campo graduated with distinction from the University of Applied Arts in Vienna, Austria. In 2003 he co-founded SPAN Architects in Vienna, together with Sandra Manninger. The globally acting practice is best known for their sophisticated application of continue...
Matthew Allen is a PhD candidate at Harvard University Graduate School of Design. He has an MArch from the GSD and degrees in physics and the comparative history of ideas, and he has worked previously in the video game and bioengineering industries. Allen is also a lecturer at the University of continue...
Matthijs Bouw is a Dutch architect and urbanist and founder of One Architecture, an award-winning design and planning firm that was established in Amsterdam in 1995 and again in New York in 2015 after the firm won the Rebuild by Design competition in partnership with BIG. Bouw is also the ...
May Day: a Round-Up of Articles on Working Conditions and Labor in Architecture, Mon, May 1 '17
Melvin L. Mitchell has been in practice in Washington, DC for 45 years, a past president, DC Board of Architecture, former director, the Institute (now school) of Architecture & Planning at Morgan State, and former full-time faculty member at Howard and University of the District of Columbia continue...
Architect Michael Leckie began his professional career working at top firms in Canada and Europe. But as the type of person who prefers to create things himself, it was only natural that he established his own practice Leckie Studio Architecture + Design. Since 2015, the ...
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- Professor at the University of Southern California School of Architecture
Milton S. F. Curry is Dean and Professor at the University of Southern California School of Architecture; and holds the Della & Harry MacDonald Dean's Chair in Architecture - positions he has held since July 2017. Dean Curry obtained his Master in Architecture post-professional degree continue...
I am a Brooklyn-based writer that specializes in covering topics related to architecture, urban planning, and technology. I have a holistic skillset, able to blend my technical background in urban studies and architecture with my creative abilities, which is best reflected through my continue...
Newton D'souza is Associate Professor and Chair at the Department of Interior Architecture, Florida International University, Miami. He has previously served as Director of Graduate Studies at the Department of Architectural Studies, University of Missouri, Columbia. He has published continue...
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- Contributing Writer
- Features Writer & News Reporter
- Writer and Architect
Niall Patrick Walsh is a writer and architect. You might know him as a contributing writer at Archinect, or as a former senior editor at ArchDaily, the world's most visited architecture website. He is also an RIAI and ARB registered architect, having previously worked at BDP, one of the continue...
Nicholas Cecchi is an architect born in Denver and educated in New Orleans. Following completion of his degree, he worked briefly in single-family residential architecture before leading the design department of a Denver-based boutique architectural and sculptural design and fabrication studio for continue...
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- Co - Founder
- Principal
- Editorial Writer
Writer and fake architect, among other feints. Principal at Adjustments Agency. Co-founder of Encyclopedia Inc. Get in touch: nicholas@archinect.com
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- Business Manager
- Communications & Advertising Sales Manager
Nicole manages the communications and advertising for Archinect. She handles national and international academic and architectural product campaigns. Before working at Archinect, Nicole worked as a Major Account Manager for a fortune 500 company. She has a degree in Child Development and worked continue...
Nissen Richards, comprised of Pippa Nissen and Jim Richards, have managed to successfully nurture a practice built from their inherent love of architecture, strengthened by their additional love of graphics, and theatre and exhibition design. A multi-interdisciplinary practice, with an extremely ...
A long-time contributor to Archinect as a senior editor and writing about architecture, urbanism, people, politics, arts, and culture. The featured articles, interviews, news posts, activism, and provocations are published here and on other websites and media. A licensed architect in continue...
Irish-born journalist and copywriter interested in art, history, architecture, urban planning and travel. Currently freelancing from Santander in Northern Spain where she's been based since 2007. Has freelanced from Madrid and Amsterdam and worked in-house on editorial teams for business and continue...
Patrick is a Los Angeles-based designer, writer, and educator. He has practiced architecture in Los Angeles and at Sea Ranch, and has taught design studios at SCI-Arc. He currently teaches at the Woodbury University School of Architecture. As a contributor to Archinect, he has written Under continue...
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- Creative Director
- Founder
- Archinect 's Founder
- Founder and Director of Archinect
Paul Petrunia is the founder and director of Archinect, a (mostly) online publication/resource founded in 1997 to establish a more connected community of architects, students, designers and fans of the designed environment. Outside of managing his growing team of writers, editors, designers and continue...
I am a Designer and Writer with a Master's degree in Architecture from Covenant University, Ota, Ogun State, Nigeria as the best graduating student. He is an architectural journalist who uses Storytelling and comics to relate architecture and urbanism to the public. He collaborated on a continue...
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- Professor in History at New York University
Peder Anker is Professor in History at New York University. He is the author of From Bauhaus to Eco-House: A History of Ecological Design (2010), Imperial Ecology: Environmental Order in the British Empire, 1895-1945 (2001), and The Power of the Periphery: How Norway Became an Environmental continue...
Peter brings over 20 years of experience in building, urban design, interior architecture, and exhibition design to OFICINA MARTINEZ ZELLNER LLC. Peter has worked in Melbourne, Australia, Asia, Europe, Latin America, and New York City. In the offices of Davis Brody Bond and continue...
Phil Bernstein is an architect and technologist who has taught at the Yale School of Architecture since 1988 and where he received his B.A and M.Arch. He was a Vice President at Autodesk where he was responsible for setting the company's future vision and strategy for BIM technology. Prior continue...
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- Architect and Provocateur, Takes Our Proust Questionnaire and Jokes about His Terrible Color Sense.
Ricardo Scofidio, the architect and provocateur, takes our Proust Questionnaire and jokes about his terrible color sense.
I was born in Cuba, in the outskirts of Havana, into a peculiar community of artisans, sculptors and painters forgotten by the pass of time. El Cerro, in 1986, was a dull and small city with a population divided by the only two trades available at the time: stealing, or selling art to foreigners continue...
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- Co - Founder of Coalition for the Homeless
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- Architect in Training, Occasional Writer & Portrait Painter
Ryan Scavnicky is the founder of Extra Office. The practice investigates architecture's relationship to contemporary culture, aesthetics, and media to seek new agencies for critical practice. He studied at L'Ecole Speciale d'Architecture in Paris and DAAP in Cincinnati for his Masters of Architecture, and received his Masters in Design Theory and Pedagogy with distinction from SCI-Arc in Los Angeles. Ryan currently serves as the Visiting Teaching Fellow at the School of Architecture at Taliesin, an experimental graduate school located in the Arizona desert. He has previously held appointments at the University of Cincinnati, Kent State University, and SCI-Arc.
Ryan Tyler Martinez works and lives in Los Angeles.
Saba Salekfard is an architectural designer and educator from Los Angeles. She earned her Master's in Architecture from the Yale School of Architecture and a Bachelor's Degree from the California Polytechnic University, Pomona, receiving awards such as the Outstanding Thesis Prize and continue...
Schmidt Hammer Lassen Architects was founded over 30 years ago in Aarhus, Denmark by Morten Schmidt, Bjarne Hammer and John F. Lassen. Known for their work within the cultural sector, especially libraries, the firm believes they "make buildings that meet the challenges of our modern society ...
Scott studied his Masters in Architecture at the Bartlett School of Architecture and his BA Architecture degree at Manchester University. His professional industry experience spans education, commercial and residential sectors, gained at award winning design practices including CRTKL, Austin Smith continue...
Sean Joyner is a writer and essayist based in Los Angeles. His work explores themes spanning architecture, culture, and everyday life. Sean's essays and articles have been featured in The Architect's Newspaper, ARCHITECT Magazine, Dwell Magazine, and Archinect. He also works as an continue...
Stanislas Chaillou is an architect, designer and AI-researcher working today at Rayon. His practice, publications, teaching and exhibits tackle the back-and-forth between geometry, artificial intelligence (AI) and culture. Trained both as an architect and an applied-AI researcher at Harvard and EPFL, Stanislas' interests lie in the weaving of design and computation.
Stanislas is today the co-founder of Rayon, a Paris-based startup building the next generation of space design tools. Through its collaborative, online platform, Rayon aspires to provide an updated toolset to the "architecture of the 90%".
Previously, Stanislas worked as an Architect & Senior Data Scientist at Spacemaker's R&D department, and as a Machine Learning Engineer at Helix and Flux.io. Stanislas also taught generative AI at the architecture school IAAC, in Barcelona.
Stanislas Chaillou is an architect, designer and AI-researcher working today at Rayon. His practice, publications, teaching and exhibits tackle the back-and-forth between geometry, artificial intelligence (AI) and culture. Trained both as an continue...
Tierney Conner, based in Oakland, CA, is a full-service firm integrating the fields of architecture, landscape and interiors. The two co-founders, Anne Tierney and Erin Conner, decided to create their own practice after the two each became mothers. For this weeks Small Studio Snapshot, we talk ...
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- ASLA As Chief Executive Officer
Torey Carter-Conneen joined ASLA as Chief Executive Officer in August 2020. He has served in executive leadership roles for companies ranging in size from $7 million to $750 million in annual revenues and staff of nearly four hundred. Prior to joining ASLA, Torey served as Chief Operating Officer continue...
Design Technology Specialist at TEECOM. Working on building better tools for design and engineering.
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- Director of Princeton 's Black Box Research Group
V. Mitch McEwen is Director of Princeton's Black Box Research Group and Principal of Atelier Office. McEwen's design work has been awarded grants from the Graham Foundation, Knight Foundation, and New York State Council on the Arts. McEwen's projects have been commissioned by the continue...
Yoonjee Koh is an educator, designer, and curator. Currently the Director of Intermediate Architecture Studios at the Boston Architectural College in Boston, MA, Yoonjee is invested in raising intellectual awareness across platforms of critical dialogue. She has founded initiatives that cultivate continue...